What My Symptoms of Hypothyroid and Adrenal Fatigue Look Like

Symptoms of Low Thyroid and Adrenal Fatigue

Well, it’s officially two months since the end of Round 5 of HCG Injections on the HCG Diet for me.  I’m in Phase 4 (P4)- which is basically just normal, healthy, everyday eating.

I want to discuss my own personal health today because I think it could help others reading it to possibly recognize if they have any hidden health issues themselves. Sometimes we get used to what we might think of as certain little “quirks” to ourselves, that in actuality, are simply health symptoms, that if addressed, could let us lead a happier more full life.

If you have some of the symptoms that I mention below, but your doctor says your thyroid lab tests are normal, please don’t leave it at that. I have discovered many many people go untreated because they really DO have thyroid or adrenal issues- the standard tests that are done are woefully inadequate- the following are some resources to research this important topic. In fact, my own lab tests came back “normal” for a long time, until my condition finally got SO bad that it finally did show up the generic testing- but you shouldn’t have to wait several years to get treated as I did.  The following are what I consider to be the best information out there on hypothyroidism, adrenal fatigue, chronic fatigue, and fibromyalgia.

Dr. Mercola’s Interview with Dr. Lowe regarding Low Thyroid

 Stop the Thyroid Madness Website- a wealth of information on thyroid and adrenal fatigue and all the things “they” never tell you.

 Natural Thyroid Solutions – check the latest updates and news section and Q&A


I have been dealing with some chronic health issues for several years now and went untreated for most of it because I didn’t know what was wrong with me for many years (this was not for lack of diligent searching for a cause). But I’ve been pretty much symptom free and off all thyroid medication and adrenal support for over 9 months this past year. I never actually expected to be off my thyroid meds as usually the condition I have (hashimoto’s) and the resulting low or hypothyroid condition isn’t curable.

How I Got Off Thyroid Medication

My improved health happened over a number of months as I lost weight with this weight loss protocol, attended Crossfit and got more fit, completely eliminated gluten 100% from my diet, and saw a holistic “dude” (he’s not actually a “doc”) who helped me to address some chronic infections he discovered through muscle testing and treated with homeopathy and rife machine frequencies (google that one).

The only reason I even considered getting off my thyroid medication at all was because I was suddenly feeling very sick and yucky, in a way I’d never felt before, and the holistic guy I was seeing confirmed that my body was functioning very well on it’s own and that I no longer needed the thyroid meds technically. It made me very nervous to wean off it as I visualized what I used to feel like pre-medication, but as soon as I did, I felt much better, and spent the next 9 months living like a normal person- having normal energy, working out, all without medication, which was shocking to me considering how I used to feel without my thyroid medication (couldn’t work secularly, had to sleep many hours each day, had chronic fatigue and some fibromyalgia symptoms- extreme pain in my feet after standing in my kitchen to cook a simple dinner, etc.).  That entire 9 months of 2012 I spent most of it feeling great with great energy and none of my old symptoms.

The 3 Amigos: Stress – Low Thyroid – Adrenal Fatigue

But stress is a killer isn’t it? Or maybe we should say stress is a life-sucker.  You’ve probably heard that adage “what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger” right?  I have yet to see this happen in my case.  My chronic health issues started at just 21 years of age, when autoimmune triggers were turned on in my body from different stressful situations in my life.   Stress and difficulties in life have always seemed to wreak a havoc on my body that have permanently changed how my body operates.  My husband and I both came to the realization recently that I have not been myself the past couple months.  Back in September we lost our house to foreclosure and the process of that, along with the stress of finding a new home and moving our whole home ourselves with a small 2 year old in tow wasn’t exactly stress free.  I got through the actual process very well and was pretty proud of myself- almost felt like a small version of a female super hero, but I believe my body is now experiencing the delayed stress response to that period of time.  Along with the fact that I now work secularly again- something I haven’t done in years.

I didn’t notice it at first because the symptoms were a bit subtle and infrequent, but after considering the past couple months, we realized that many of my old familiar symptoms that I used to experience when untreated were there again.

Uncommon Reaction to Social Interaction

For anyone who doesn’t know, one symptom of low thyroid function, which I experience in full force when my condition is not being managed well, is the inability to handle social interaction and feel good still. Even though it’s what you might call a “good stress”, social interaction is a stress on the body. If you’re a normal person, you might spend some time with family or friends and come home feeling happy and refreshed at the good time you just had. Or even if you didn’t have a good time, you might come home kind of irritated, go to sleep and wake up and go about your normal business just fine the following day.

What happens to me specifically is that after hanging out with people, whether I had a good time or not, I will later become very depressed for seemingly no reason. I It will last for a couple days, before the depression cloud lifts and I feel normal again. The depression is bad enough that it’s pretty debilitating and something that makes you want to avoid scenarios that cause that. I want to mention this because it’s one of those things that is very difficult to explain to someone who hasn’t experienced it and even harder for them to understand. If you are reading this and realize that you experience this, please consider that you may have some unresolved health issues, that if addressed, could enable you to enjoy people’s company again.

I haven’t experienced this in quite some time, but lately noticed it was starting to happen again.

Uncommon Reaction to Physical Activity

Another symptom of low thyroid and or adrenal fatigue that I would experience is the same resulting depression after taking a walk on concrete for any length of time. I haven’t put my finger on it completely yet, but I have discovered a slow walk on the sidewalk for a half hour or more will cause me to feel very bad later- debilitating fatigue and depression. This seems especially silly to me now considering I still attend Crossfit 3-4 times a week, for an hour each time where I sweat like nobody’s business and my whole body get’s worked super hard, and I feel good after these sessions, yet a slow walk will cause me fatigue later. It’s a strange anomaly that I still don’t understand why it happens, but it does. Years ago before being treated this symptom was bad enough that any physical activity caused the chronic fatigue and depression reaction, no matter what it was. There could even be an endorphin rush initially, but within a matter of a couple hours, this dark cloud of depression would descend.  We are not talking a mild case of the blues- we are talking an I-don’t-know-how-I-can-go-on-living hopeless kind of feeling.

More Cold Than Those Around You

Thirdly, I’ve been extremely cold again lately, and I don’t live in a snow state. I’ve been so cold that I’ve actually found myself googling “warmest coat” and considering specialized jacket options that only researchers in the antarctic usually wear because I can’t seem to find a coat that keeps me warm enough to enjoy the outdoors this winter.

There are many more symptoms that I won’t detail here today. These are the main ones that I’ve been experiencing again.

Treatment of Low Thyroid and Adrenal Fatigue

So what this means is that I’m trying myself back on a small dose of thyroid medication. I take Cytomel– also called T3 or active thyroid hormone.  This is very different from what the majority of thyroid patients are put on by their doctors- most take T4 medication like Synthroid, Levoxyl, Levothroid or Unithroid.  If you haven’t researched this yet, please look into the differences between T3 and T4 thyroid medications– it can mean the difference between feeling symptom free and feeling like crap.

I have yet to know if my current symptoms are mostly thyroid or mostly adrenal or a combination of both, or maybe it’s something entirely new or different.  It’s a bit of a guessing game sometimes at this moment and takes time to figure out.  I have experimented with taking small doses of cortisol again too in the form of Isocort. The results are mixed. Sometimes I feel better, sometimes I feel worse, so I don’t know all the answers yet. The important thing though is to do something.  If I do nothing, I definitely won’t figure it out.  By trying different things I hope to find the solution and the right balance for best wellness again.

What I will tell you is that, even though I’m once again experiencing a blip in my health, between taking Cytomel thyroid medication for 2 years and then somehow recovering my health and not needing it for almost a year, I have spent the last 3 years of my life feeling REALLY GOOD compared to the previous 6-8 years before that.  If you can get proper treatment, you CAN feel good again.  Don’t give up on yourself and finding wellness.  Make the above links in this post a start to your research on this.

 

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  • Robinson1962

    OMG….you have just saved my life. I have been told so many times my thyroid was just fine and even requested my Reverse T3 to be tested and my insurance won’t pay for that test. You described my feelings dead on the socializing problems that I have encountered. I thought I was going cra cra. Also, I have horrible hot flashes, but I am also experiencing these extreme cold episodes that started a couple of months ago. These cold episodes don’t will last for hours, but not every day…weird. Your talking to someone who keeps the heat on 60 degrees in the winter time and I always have been very hot nature to the point I couldn’t have female roommates when I was younger. I desperately need to pick your brain on this subject matter and thank you so much!!

    • http://hcgchica.com/ Rayzel Lam

      You’re so welcome! The hard thing about these types of symptoms is that they can describe more than one condition. Things like epstein barr, lyme disease, adrenal fatigue, hashis and hypothyroid, and hormone imbalances can all have these similar symptoms, so it can be quite a puzzle figuring it out- but I’m glad this is at least a good starting point for you. :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/kim.rileybousum Kim Riley Bousum

    So I have a question, I have been diagnosed with Hashimoto Thyroidism, only after being randomly treated for thyroid for a few years. I am post menopausal and, while I know people initially gain weight at that, I feel like I am over the top. I have tried to lose weight and it seems an uphill battle. About 5 years ago is when it all started, I had lost 13 lbs so I thought I would start exercising. From the moment I did, I started gaining weight. Did you find you had that problem with the Hashimotos? What is your doctors take on the hCG weightloss and the thyroid now? Are you still being monitored on that? I would love to hear. I am almost desperate to lose weight now. I feel miserable in my own skin. I have packed on a good 50 lbs and at this point, would be excited to lose 20! I know it sounds stupid but I am afraid to go exercise and gain even more. A circular battle. I hate it and it is not freeing by any means. I need to and want to overcome this. I am almost confused by all the different hCG things on the web, what to use, how to use it, what is best, what is not. Geez!

    • http://hcgchica.com/ Rayzel Lam

      Hi Kim- I’m sorry you are dealing with this nasty beast too. I didn’t recall gaining weight from exercise when I originally had it without medication because I was so ill I couldn’t exercise anymore. Also, because I was so miserable, my eating had become very bad as that was the only thing left in my life that was enjoyable, so I can’t really differentiate what weight gain was from low thyroid and what weight gain was from eating cartons of ice-cream (seriously). I am no longer being monitored- for the cost, I find that I can mostly keep on top of myself from all the research that I’ve done. I’m checking into other possible health issues now because I’ve done all I can do for the hashi’s and my last antibody count a few months ago was very low which is a good thing. Re exercise- I do find that I gain muscle very easily- I think it’s a genetic thing- so I have “gained weight” off hCG but it’s kind of purposeful and I know from my body fat testing that the weight gained is actually muscle, not fat- and then I use hCG to lose fat, but I’ve had no problem keeping my fat losses off from hCG (while being medicated of course). For instance, during my last 3 breaks from hCG, I gained several lbs on the scale but these were all muscle, and almost none of it was fat- so for me this was a good thing, but if I hadn’t had the body fat testing I could have gotten discouraged and thought it was fat or something. I wish I could give you more clear cut answers. Things are so complicated when health issues like this are in the picture and often symptoms are different for everyone. But I don’t notice a direct result of weight gain from exercise myself- I did however find that I COULD NOT exercise before I knew what I had and wasn’t medicated- it would make me extremely depressed and fatigued immediately after and would last for a couple days. Once I went on thyroid meds that went away entirely.

  • Sue Orick

    Thank you so much for all your posts and information. It is very helpful to me as I start my 3rd round of HCG. Regarding your Hashimoto’s…you might want to google “LDN” and read about this autoimmune treatment. Good luck and keep it up!

    • http://hcgchica.com/ Rayzel Lam

      Hi Sue- thank you- actually I was on Low Dose Naltrexone when my hashi’s was first discovered- thank you for mentioning it here for others to check into as well! I’m so glad I’ve been helpful to you.

  • Bridget

    Hey there! Not to sound like a weirdo (lol) but I just want to let you know that you have been an inspiration to me over the past couple weeks. I came across your blog while researching my own hypothyroid and adrenal fatigue problems. I’m 30 and have always had the HARDEST time losing weight – even on a paleo diet and exercising, while on thyroid and hormone replacement therapy. I’m happy to say that I’m on VLCD 3 and have already lost 6.5 lbs. Crazy! I got my HCG through your site at USHCGInjections…. Your success stories and how-to’s have been so helpful. I just wanted to say thank you, because I bet there are a ton of people just like me who are thinking the same thing : )

    • http://hcgchica.com/ Rayzel Lam

      Totally not weirdo. :)- I always appreciate the appreciative feedback others give me! I’m so glad to hear you’re doing so great on hCG so far- it really does seem to be the ticket for many of us who have struggled because of other health issues.

  • Theresa

    Every member of my immediate family has some sort of thyroid dysfunction or another and I have been tested 3 in the past 7 years myself due to inability to lose weight. I get fatigued at the littlest thing and no matter what diet(even doctor approved!) or exercise program(I was even on the swim team for four years!) has ever helped me get to a healthy weight. Although my most recent test came back negative I am still convinced that I have SOMETHING wrong with me, and my family’s history of thyroid disorders and my constantly swollen and sore neck area ( around the thyroid gland) makes me a little nervous. Do you have suggestion on any other tests that i can request to help with my health problems?

    • http://hcgchica.com/ Rayzel Lam

      Hey Theresa- I’m so sorry to hear about what your dealing with. The standard thyroid tests that medical doctors do are not sufficient to discover most cases of hypothyroidism- this particular page is very useful in telling you what sort of tests to get with your symptoms: http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/recommended-labwork/ and here: http://breakingmuscle.com/health-medicine/understanding-thyroid-why-you-should-check-your-free-t3 Most docs check only your TSH levels and maybe your t4 levels- checking free t3 is VERY important, as is getting antibody testing for hashimotos done- it’s all in the first link. I hope this helps a little! Also you’ll notice the instruction to get a SALIVA cortisol test in the first link for checking your adrenals- ideally one that will you take samples of your saliva at least 3-4 times during the course of 24 hours.

  • Ang

    This is a positive read. I have low thyroid and slightly low adrenals. I’m on day 22 VLCD and I’ve lost 13 pounds. Not as much as I want, my legs are still so flabby… I don’t know if it’s fat or water retention from low thyroid. I wish I could tell, but if it is fat, wouldn’t I have noticed a difference by now on day 22? If my thyroid is going to get better from this, and hopefully relieve possible water retention, what phase did you notice your thyroid and adrenals correct themselves? Thanks for your input.

  • Amy Garvalia

    Good to know you’ve maintained despite adrenal and thyroud issues! I’ve had both and been experimenting with naturethroid and thyroud and adrenal supps for almost a year working with a naturopathic doc. I still feel like I’m barely making progress! Your blog is such an encouragement!

    • http://hcgchica.com/buy-hcg-injections-worldwide/ HCGChica

      Hi Amy! I’m really glad you found it encouraging- I’ve certainly had to tweak and troubleshoot at times, but yes overall, I’ve been able to maintain my weight loss from hCG for 1 year and 9 months now- something I’m very proud of. But definitely the tweaking and troubleshooting have been key.

  • drmurrell

    Did you complete the hcg protocol before taking the thyroid medication or while you were on the thyroid medication?

    • http://hcgchica.com/buy-hcg-injections-worldwide/ HCGChica

      HI @drmurrell:disqus I was on thyroid medication before beginning the hCG protocol, and continued taking it for my first 3 rounds of hCG. My 4th round I was off my thyroid entirely, and I think on my 5th round I may have been on a tiny dose, but much smaller than my original dose. Over the past 2 years now since I finished my last round of hCG, I have been on between 12-25 mcg of cytomel/t3 for maybe 1/4 of the past two years, just here and there are my health seemed to dictate. I am currently on 12.5 mcg at this very moment. Hope that helps!

  • Brenda Bergstrom-Graf

    Can I share some thing about B12 that many of you with thyroid and adrenal issues may find really helpful? I just received my labs yesterday and found I have adrenal insufficiency. Which is low cortisol rather then high. A different monkey. Its time to rule out Addisons disease, which some people say is incurable and I say it is. I recently was given B12 injections from my Natural health doc and it has been AMAZING difference. No more cloudy thinking, or brain fog. I feel “awake” and my body doesn’t feel as tired. But I have to now give myself the injections daily for a month and then back to weekly. B12 injections bypasses your stomach which is important if you have digestive issues it can be difficult to nearly impossible to absorb B12 from your foods. Im on all kinds of natural remedies for the adrenal insufficiency. I was wanting to get started on HCG but am waiting for the rest of my lab tests to come in regarding hormones. Saliva test take a bit longer to get back then blood tests. I am waiting for the ok from my Natruralpath about starting HCG while working on healing my adrenals. Anyone else have LOW cortisol levels who started the HCG diet?

    • http://hcgchica.com/buy-hcg-injections-worldwide/ HCGChica

      Thanks for commenting @brendabergstromgraf:disqus ! I have actually wanted to try b12 shots myself but have been a bit scared because my body has become SO sensitive to supplements- no joke, I had started making this awesome liposomal vitamin c- it’s way more absorbable, yada yada, and whenever I took some, I would start crying for hours and feel like I couldn’t cope with life! It happened several times before I realized it was the vitamin c causing it. I don’t know if it promotes too much detox that then makes me feel that way or what, but it’s too severe for me to handle. I’ve also had some major symtoms like that from b vitamins at times- so I always try new things very carefully these days- frustrating! But I’m really glad to hear your positive feedback about this, it’s something that it’s probably time i look into further- and I must say I’m a little bit of a scaredy cat about the IM shots vs. subq like I’m used to with hCG lol- that’s a silly reason I know. Re the low cortisol levels- YES! Me actually. I did my third round of hCG while taking about 20 mg of cortisol a day (spread throughout the day, known as pysiologic dose so that you don’t have to be worried about permanently compromising your own adrenal ability). This worked GREAT! I couldn’t believe how great I felt that round, and I almost think there must have been a synergistic effect of the cortisol and hCG with my adrenals because halfway through my round my naturopath was muscle testing and confirmed my adrenals had recovered very quickly and he was surprised and that I didn’t need the cortisol anymore and he was right- I weaned off it during the next week of that round and continued to feel good for quite some after that. I wouldn’t do a round of hCG without adrenal support concurrent though if you have adrenal fatigue- definitely I think the key was that I was on the cortisol or the round would have been horrible (as shown by what happened my 2nd round, part of which was due to adrenal fatigue- I felt horrible that round). I hope that helps!

  • AshFromSC

    thank you for sharing your personal story. It is one that I too am very familiar with. In fact, I e-mailed you about it a few weeks ago. My first name is Ashleigh. This is what concerns me the most about the diet if I am being honest. I start phase 2 tomorrow. I have stage 3 adrenal fatigue, hyporthyroidism and thyroid disease, estrogen dominance, low sexhormones and heavy metal toxicity.
    There is little debate that a restricted calorie diet will adversely affect adrenal fatigue. like 0 debate. but what is not known is if or how exactly HCG acts to allow your fat reserves to be used for energy and if that lessens the blow the adrenals. It is possible. I have read that HCG increases progesterone which is good for most women, especially those like me with estrogen dominance. For those of us with severe adrenal fatigue (very low cortisol all day confirmed via saliva cortisol test), this is something to conisder wisely before trying this diet. Having hashimotos and adrenal fatigue will most certainly cause weight gain, regardless of diet and exercise. I was in competitive shape just over a year ago, I worked out 2-3 hours 5-6 days per week and followed a strict primal diet. I was healthy and active. then within 4 months I gained 35 lbs for no reason. My diet and exercise regimen had not changed even though I was becoming progressively more exhausted and ill. THe problem for most of us is proper diagnosis of adrenal fatigue and and thyroid disease because I can guarantee you that 98% of the doctors misdiagnose because they are not running the correct tests. To properly diagnose adrenal fatigue one must have a saliva cortisol test because it’s the ONLY way to measure the bioavailable cortisol in your body. Serum cortisol measure mostly cortisol that is not bioavailable to our cells and therefor and inaccurate and dangerous way to diagnose adrenal fatigue. Sex hormones (testosterone, progesterone, pregnenalone, SHBG, estrogen (especially estradiol) and DHEA, need to be tested as well as they are also key both diagnosing and properly treating adrenal fatigue. Sadly, most doctors only use serum AM cortisol levels to diagnose adrenal fatigue and that can be just down right dangerous. You can purchase you own saliva cortisol kit from Genova Diagnositcs for about $100.00. For thyroid, 98% of doctos only look at TSH levels, which is a pituitary hormone that raises when not enough thyroid hormone is being released. Well, it gives you absolutely no information about the active and bioavailable thyroid hormone in your body, T3. The tests you need to determine thyroid functionality is Free T3, Free T4, TSH, thyroid antibodies, and reverse T3 to detect if your pooling T3 and/or resistant to thryoid hormone. Cortisol, Ferritin and vitamin D3 are crucial to be at optimal levels for their own reasons but also in order for your body to utilize the thyroid hormone that you have or are taking. If you are low in any or all of the above, the thyroid hormone will have difficultly getting through cell membraines. there are T3 receptors on every cell of our body. hypothyroidism is actually relatively simple to treat if you DO NOT have adrenal fatigue and low iron (ferritin). Stage 3 adrenal fagtigue (low cortisol all day and night) is the most challenging. I HIGHLY recommend the website http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com (stop the the thryoid madness STTM), there is a ton of info on that site, it was a lifesaver for me. I recommend to anyone who has or thinks they might have thyroid issues. There is also a great deal of info on adrenal fatigue on their site as well. Another lifesaver was the facebook group STTM Thyroid (stop the thryoid madness – thyroid) and STTM Adrenals. Also, a wealth of information based on Janie Bothorp’s book (STTM and it is excellent) and website, STTM. I am taking natural desiccated thyroid hormone NDT (comes from pig thryoids). This is the best way most of the time, to treat hypothyroidism as it is the only medication that contains T1, T2, T3, T4 and calcitonin which are naturally produced by healthy thyroids. It is also natural, nothing synthetic and was the original medication used to treat hypothyroidism many years ago. The reason why it is not used today is because is cannot be patented so there is NO $$$$ in developing it and researching it. For those with hashimotos they will have to watch their dose and perhaps reduce NDT and supplement with some T3 (cytomel) to become optimal as it can raise T3 levels and cause thryoid resistance. So, much like tweaking your dose for HCG, the same applies to your thyroid and adrenals. It takes some time, experimenting and fine tuning to find that sweet spot (the right dose that works for YOUR body). But there are countless hashimotos patients using NDT with great success. It has now been over a year for me and nothing has really helped me. I am going to have to gone on hydrocortisone most likely. I am waiting for my 2nd saliva cortisol test to come back and if it still the same or worse, I will have to go on it. It is possible, Rayzel, that eating the 500 calorie diet has been causing your adrenals to crash and it sounds like this is what happened during your last round and what could have contributed to the one round that didn’t work out well for you. Wnen your adrenal crash, it also further suppresses your thyroid, causing even more weight gain that you would experience simply being in a hypothyroid state. I would recommend having your sex hormones checked, testing your vitamin D3 and ferritin levels. getting your ferritin at or above 70 will cause your hair to grow back if you have lost any due to your thyroid and/or adrenals. taking adenosylcobalamin and hydroxocobalamin B12 are best. You were probably taking cyanocobalamin which has a cyanide molecule attached to it and causes those symptoms you were experiencing. NuImage medical uses cyano b12 in their HCG injections so I opted out of that option and just got the sterile NA/CL mixture. seeking health and holistic health.com offer adnosyl and hydroxo b12 options, you can take them sublingually so no injections. Last but not least, I found out that I am compound heterozygous for both MTHFR gene mutations, so i decided to get all of my SNP’s tested through 23andme it’s $99 and well worth the cost. I know this post is already incredibly long so I won’t get into it, but feel free to message me if you have questions. You can find out more info at MTHFR.net and through the facebook group MTHFR Gene Mutation and using nutritional balancing to correct the pathways (dr amy yasko). so to sum it up, I am a bit nervous about my adrenal crashing during phase 3 but hoping that since it is my first time and with a good loading phase I will be spared, but I feel as if I have no other option. I just can’t live like this any longer (not literally, but you get the picture), so I pray this works for me. I will definitely keep you posted and I hope you do the same. I hope you are feeling better now as I know this original video is about a year old.
    Ashleigh C

    • http://hcgchica.com/buy-hcg-injections-worldwide/ HCGChica

      Hey @AshFromSC – thanks so much for putting all this here- everything you said is essentially all the same stuff I have discovered as well and I’m so glad you’ve put it here for everyone to read – I have some snippets in a couple blogposts but have yet to make a very thorough article about all this, which is needed. My ferritin improved very well after eating lots of grass fed red meat. :) Prior to that (when it was low) I was put on special iron supplements by my naturopathic doc and my levels barely improved at all! So for me, grassfed red meat is where it’s at! :)- Yes I have low D3 as well but I have a hard time getting it up. My body, I think due to Lyme disease, is INCREDIBLY sensitive to supplements and things like vitamin d will actually make me feel very depressed, it’s so weird, so I have to be careful. Yes I love the saliva cortisol testing- the one that tests your levels 4 times in a day- I learned all that as well from STTM too- that’s how I discovered my adrenal fatigue actually by comparing my levels to another lady on her site who had similar values- the addition of 20 mg of cortisol spread 4x throughout the day has helped me tremendously. My most recent find (December) is that my DHEA levels, the most abundant prehormone in the entire body that helps produce testosterone, estrogen, etc. was SO low it wasn’t even in the reference range! I recently added in about 40 mg of DHEA cream and have seen another drastic improvement in health this past month. The b12 I used to take was actually methyl version in a lozenge, but like I said, my body is so incredibliy sensitive at the time it caused me to feel depressed- could have been detox, who knows, but it was too bad to be bearable. I seem to be able to handle some stuff a little better now in 2014/2015. I have currently been finding the right balance between three things – DHEA, Cortisol, and T3 supplementation – it’s taken me some tweaking but I seem to finding the right balance and am really improved so that is very encouraging. Once again, thanks again for sharing so much!! – Rayzel

      • AshFromSC

        My pleasure, Rayzel!! I’m glad that I could contribute something after all you have contributed. You are very much appreciated. With regards to d3, there is a certain mutation that pretty much causes the exact symptoms you have, I believe it’s the CBS mutation – so it’s not crazy at all – it’s a mutation that you have that could be causing it and it’s a relatively simple fix. You need a certain crazy combination to raise your d3 and I can’t remember what it is exactly. HIGHLY recommend getting the 23andme genetic testing, it’s $99 and so worth it. Another crucial nutrient combo to look at is copper serum and zinc plasma (has to be exact) to check for copper toxicity. my copper was very high and zinc was very low, which drives up estrogen and depletes zinc. most of us have low zinc which is very easy to raise. Zinc Picolinate is the best. Copper wreaks havoc on your body and very toxic and once again, the reference ranges are completely off. message me if you ever want more info on this. also, MTHFR Gene Mutation Group has a ton of information on Lyme Disease. The creator of the group is a physician and has Lyme herself, she is very involved in her group. it’s a great group of people. it’s all inter-related but truly stems from our genes. If you are over methylating, methylb12 will make your skin crawl and make you feel very anxious. hydroxy or adenosyl, will be better for options for you. Even if you are not overmethylating, they are still better forms for your biochemistry if you are reacting poorly to methyl. but start slow and easy. you can get them form seeking health on amazon or holistic health (dr amy yasko). So, DHEA can convert to estrogen. yikes. i know. that’s what happened to me. I am estrogen dominant already with very low DHEA. When I started to supplement with it, bam, it raised my estrogen. so just keep an eye on that. If it’s working for you, then that awesome. our bodies are all very different. Pregnenolone is also a precursor hormone and can actually increase DHEA. You may want to consider supplementing with it as well. a safe starting dose is 10 mg. I am so happy that you are finding the right supplementation rhythm. dang it. I was going to try to keep this brief!! sorry. thanks again for all that you do. ;o)

  • Mel

    Hi HCG Chica! Was wondering if you used any adrenal supplements during round?

    • http://hcgchica.com/buy-hcg-injections-worldwide/ HCGChica

      Hey @Mel yes during 1 round I was taking Isocort which was a natural cortisol about 15-20 mg per day- that really helped me a lot on the round that I was suffering from adrenal fatigue. That particular supplementation is only for if you have low cortisol whereas the first stage of adrenal fatigue is high cortisol in which case that wouldn’t be an appropriate supplement.

  • bogtrotters

    Bless your heart for being so courageous. I’ve had a lot of health issues in my adult life, including depression, but I find out tomorrow about my adrenals. My last thyroid levels were 5: no bueno. I am tired all the time–NOT depressed, strangely– sleepy, and my muscles and joints ache. What bothers me is not being so helpful around the house, having no stamina during gym workouts, struggling just to get out of bed in the morning.

    And, since I’m a guy, there’s the added fear of being seen as a wimp–nobody “gets” adrenal fatigue. And my job–I’m a high school teacher and I love teens and I love teaching teens–is a stressor, too, because I am both a raging introvert and very empathic, so if one of my kids is in pain, I “catch” it, too. It’s really hard for me, as it was for you, to face any extra social interaction– for me, anything beyond my classroom–because I just get overwhelmed dealing with people; it sucks all the energy out.

    And it’s hard, too, for someone who’s been slender all his life to keep seeing the fat guy in the photos: that’s me! I don’t want to sound like a whiner, and I am most definitely not a quitter; I will overcome this thing somehow and it’s such a relief to share my experience with someone who can understand that I ‘m not a hypochondriac and not a coward. Thank you again for the sharing and for the hope you provide!

  • Donna Broome

    Your story sounds so much like mine……I respond very differently to med and vit…….so at the age of 50 passed menopause…..low hormones……and AF ……how much HCG would I need to start out with?