Hello lovely hCGers. This interview is part of what is now a plethora of weight loss success stories with real everyday women (and men! There’s a few dude interviews in there) who have used either hCG injections or drops with the hCG diet protocol to lose between 20 and 150 lbs. You can see the current episodes available here.
This just goes to show how far in advance I’m doing hCG interviews these days- we did this in 2014 and now it’s already August of 2015- where is the time going? #raisingkidsmakestimefly #amIrightoramIright?
You will love Nance. She is so down to earth and elegant. And she’s really tracked what she’s done on this protocol. We discuss Phase 3 quite a bit in this interview, so all you who are in oh-my-word-P3-is-coming land, this is for you.
Main Stuff We Discuss:
- Moving past yo-yo dieting and getting over the sensationalism of Phase 2 on hCG.
- Phase 3 failure and success comparisons
- Learning the language of good nutrition in daily life
- How Phase 3 is like the “wet cement” stage
- Age: 58 years old
- Height: 5′ 5.5″
- 3 rounds completed in 2014 – about 6 weeks each round
- 25-27 lbs lost per round
- Average weight loss was .6/lb per day – this is the normal average that most women experience on the hCG protocol.
Body Changes from hCG injections:
- Starting Weight: 223 lbs +
- Ending Weight: 148 lbs
- Clothing size start: 22 pants
- Clothing size end: 8/10 pants
- Waist Inch Loss: 12″ gone!
- Belly Inch Loss: 10.25″ gone
- Hips Inch Loss: 8.25″ gone
Links mentioned in this interview:
- Weight Loss Apocalypse – Emotional Eating Rehab Through the hCG Protocol by Robin Woodall
- Phase 3 Pizza Flatbread Recipe – Living on Live Food by Alyssa Cohen
- Phase 3 recipes on Pinterest
- Phase 3 Desserty Type Pinterest Recipes – Grain Free, Sugar Free
- Phase 3 Diet Resources
- Excalibur Dehydrator
- Protein Intake Calculator and Article – I didn’t find out the exact one Nance used yet, but you can check this one I found out in the meantime.
- Another Protein Intake Calculator
- When to not worry about the 2 lb window on Phase 3:
Once again, I have to apologize for the poor quality of the audio- as much techie stuff as I have learned the past few years with this whole blog/vlog/video/etc thing, I am a bit stumped right now as to why when I am recording skype interviews lately it keeps sounding as if we are super rude and talking over each other, when we totally weren’t doing that! I think my internet connection is not as good as it was or something. Sigh.
So anyway- sorry guys, I’m doing the best I know how! I hope it won’t let it stop you from hearing the wonderful insights and gems that Nance has to share.
Also, she created some wonderful reminder docs that she wanted to share with everyone!
Lastly, this is Nance’s personal adaptation of the hunger scale that is discussed in detail in Robin Woodall’s book, Weight Loss Apocalypse – Emotional Eating Rehab Through the hCG Protocol (a HIGHLY recommended read). This chart is posted with Robin’s express permission.
Read the transcript:
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HCG Diet Interviews – Episode 28 – hcgchica.com
Rayzel: Hey guys! hCGChica! Welcome back! We’re on Episode 28 now of the hCG diet Interviews. I have Nance with me today. She’s lost 75 pounds this year. 2014 with hCG protocol and we’re gonna cover a few basics about her weight loss journey but what’s special about today is that we’re gonna actually go into great detail about her Phase 3s this year and that’s because she’s gone into a lot of detail on her Phase 3 and done it successfully and I know that that’s one of the things that you guys want more help with because as we’ll talk about, Phase 3 is really- actually she came up with a good word for it – a bridge between P2 and P4 and it’s a very important part in order for this weight loss journey to actually, for the weight loss to last.
Nance: Very well today! It’s such a pleasure to be online with you today.
Rayzel: Yeah I’m so excited. So Nancy sent me like, this is the most detailed interview as far as information I’ve got like I’ve ever had. She sent me all this awesome information and what’s great it’s everything to cover that she’s like typed out for me, I’m gonna have all of it in the blog post that goes with this interview for you guys.
Nance: Glad it could be utilized. I hope that a lot of people are really benefitted.
Rayzel: So why don’t we start out, you just tell me your basic statistics? Your age and height and how your sizes change and stuff like that.
Nance: Okay. I am 58 years young, almost 59. I’m 5 foot 5-1/2 inches tall and I went from 223 pounds and then some last February to 148 just end of November. Clothing size, I was down to 1 pair of pants I could wear and they were real stretchy ones so I think I was 20-22 and currently I’m size 8 to 10. My size 10 are loose on me but I like them cause they’re longer pants but I’m sure I could fit into 8s.
Rayzel: Yeah and it’s nice just to be comfortable.
Nance: Oh yeah.
Rayzel: Sometimes you can – and there’s something that – I’d probably just be comfortable.
Nance: Such feeling.
Rayzel: Right. Like a balloon that hasn’t been blown up, like stretched you know. Wonderful. Thanks for sharing all that. A huge drastic change there and I think I have in your notes here. So you’ve done this year, 2014, you did 3 round. Is that right? About 42 days each and then you had the 2 P3s in between of those.
Nance: 2 P3 completed and on a P3 now.
Rayzel: Right. Gotcha. Okay. Cool. It looks like you’ve lost about 27ish pounds on each round.
Nance: Yeah. 27.5 in the first one, 27 on the 2nd P2 and then 25.5 on this latest one.
Rayzel: Just to clarify for everybody, so her average weight loss was about .6 to .65 pounds per day, cause I do get that question a lot, how much weight I will lose on a round? Yeah and that’s very, in general, for most women they’re gonna lose between, depending on how lean you are or how much weight you have to lose, .5 to .6 or so will be the average and that’s pretty expected and that’s good. Look how far you’ve gotten and just this year with breaks.
Nance: I’m amazed. I’m so happy.
Rayzel: And you look like so healthy and vibrant too, like your skin looks healthy, and yeah.
Nance: Thank you. That’s something else I go into great detail.
Rayzel: Awesome. What was some of your inch loss on like your waist and your- do you have that in hand?
Nance: I lost a foot. A 12 inches off my waist. I’m amazed.
Rayzel: That’s amazing.
Nance: My brains gotta catch up with it. It’s like, you’re not big anymore, and you’re small. 9 size less. Then 9.75 off my breasts and 10.25 off my belly and then 8.25 off my hips. So I’m just amazed. I’m dealing with some loose skin. I’ve never had that before in my weight loss efforts but boy it’s sure is better to deal with that than—
Rayzel: That’s kind of what I tell people who asked about that too. It’s kind of up to you. Have the extra fat or have a little loose skin. Most people will choose the loose skin.
Nance: Definitely. I seem to be tightening up in areas too so it’s not a problem.
Rayzel: Good. That is—and also I like to, you measured around your knee and that’s where a lot of people have fat too.
Nance: Oh my goodness, yes.
Rayzel: And you have lost about 5 – almost 6 inches around your knees so that’s—
Nance: I would like to like bend and pick my legs up and see if I could touch my fingers just over my knee and u-uhm it wouldn’t happen for a long time and now I can so it’s like a quick indicator so yeah, 6 inches off my knee.
Rayzel: That’s awesome. I like that too because probably your inch loss maybe came off in different places more in different rounds. I don’t know if you paid attention to that.
Nance: Oh yes. It was very interesting how that happened and especially in the latest P3 how it really came off in the backs of my legs and my arms. Also, just a side note, is without doing fruit on the P2 where the glycogen stores are coming back too. That’s kind of interesting so. (crosstalk) Keeps me from looking gaunt at the waist. It’s a more healthy look so yeah, it’s better to have fat, that little cushion there.
Rayzel: Yeah. I’m glad that you mentioned that too because glycogen stores are totally normal, it’s a natural part of how your body looks and sometimes you see pictures online of people when you go on a really low carb diet, you do tend to lose the glycogen stores so even if you see my videos, just my regular hcg diet videos that I did on my final round, I wasn’t doing the fruits. I look pretty lean like my face here it’s leaner but that’s because I didn’t have the glycogen stores so it’s fine in a way but it’s not really maintainable so I’m healthier and I probably look a little stockier but my body fat percent is actually the same it’s just like you said, that extra normal amount of water.
Nance: Yeah. A beautiful healthy look.
Rayzel: Yes. It’s nice. Sometimes I think we have to change our perception of what we view as attractive and healthy and know why this lean look is possible. You can do it for a few days but it’s hard to keep on a daily basis so that’s – you don’t have to shoot for that.
Nance: Very good point. Balance and health are really the way to go.
Rayzel: We’re gonna get in the main point of what we really want to talk about today which is all about Phase 3. Nancy is very slow and gradual and very present with this P3s she’s had this year. We’ll compare them to some previous P3s in the past that didn’t go well and a lot of us have those types of P3s in the past and so we’ll just try to draw that comparison and know exactly what types of things we can do to really make it work and to actually stabilize. How have some of the P3s for you gone in the past before this year?
Nance: I found about hCG in about 2009 when I saw my friend shrinking. I’m like “Wow, how did you do that?” and I think I would go on P2s, I think I have about 3 successful Phase 2s where I would lose between 20 and 30 pounds and then, but just gave kind of lip service “Oh yeah, there’s a Phase 3 there’s a Phase 4” but I’ve lost the weight. And I basically gave lip service to it or ignored it and with that I can’t tell you how many P2 fails I have between 2010 and 2013 too.
Rayzel: So you would lose the weight on Phase 2 but then since there wasn’t really much attention to the Phase 3 and Phase 4 you just gradually gained it back.
Nance: Yeah. One more way to be a yo-yo. To have that yo-yo dieter’s mentality.
Rayzel: Can you expand on that? What is that mentality that causes us to kind of brush aside the P3. Why do you think that we tend to forget that it’s important or to not put our interest on it.
Nance: I think for me, earlier in years, I found that the sensationalism over Phase 2 was lose the weight and there was just not that much emphasis on P3 and how to keep it off and make a lifestyle change and so I was just in that flow and just didn’t pay attention. Clarify the question for me if I didn’t answer it well.
Rayzel: No. That was good. Like I said some of this are off the topic.
Nance: One of the first thing I noticed if there is a slip up or a cheat it’s like my perfectionism “Oh my, it’s gotta be that number on that scale got to stay right there” and when it doesn’t shame kicks in, guilt, and this driveness to fix what I’ve made a mess off and then I would stop weighing myself cause I was too ashamed to look at the number. Then I would keep eating and I’m what is it about me that I lost all this weight and then I eat because I’m ashamed that I have like eating’s gonna fix it.
Rayzel: It’s what we do though. I made this little hCG cartoon, you know I draw those stick figures and I was like, I’m eating chocolate cake cause I feel so bad that I ate chocolate cake. It’s true. I did the same thing. I think you’re right it goes back to a little bit of that perfectionism issue that as soon as you make one mistake, it’s like, you feel like Oh I failed and the comfort is in the food so it’s just this vicious cycle.
Nance: I had a circle of my weight, really end of high school, my adult life and I had just ingrained a yo-yo mentality. Life will take over and you know talk about how emotional triggers would take place. Things I don’t want to deal with and I was trained up very well that butter ice cream make everything better. Eat something. Eat something. And it just reinforced a yo-yo dieter’s mentality in a whole range of motion that cropped up with that. So this was the time to take the scissors to the string on the yoyo.
Rayzel: Yeah, that’s good. I like all that you said, sometimes they talk about the dieter’s mentality and like you said sometimes as soon as you gain a couple of pounds you “Oh I have to go on a diet.” And that we’re trying to get away from that and then I realized that part of it is I think a lot of women we find ourselves, you’re in one of two places, you’re either dieting or you’re eating or like whatever. You’re not really conscious of what you’re doing, it’s kind of like eat or don’t. Instead of like the other part of life which is being conscious and making good choices on a daily basis to keep things in balance.
Nance: Yeah. That’s just very, very aptly put and that’s where it’s at.
Rayzel: Okay. So we talked about the things that didn’t work and those are the type of things that a lot of us have suffered from. I had a failed P3 too where I was basically pretended like it didn’t exist and hoped that it wouldn’t matter and it did matter and then it was like – and I didn’t know how to fix it or just readjust myself and so let’s talk now about what has made these P3s this year for you because and – we’ll show the graph too, Nancy if you see, she has this graph of her weight, it’s extremely stable. She never have to do a steak day and she gradually increased her calories too. And we’ll talk about that cause I just got another email recently where the person’s like I’m so scared about P3 cause I’m eating 500 calories and sometimes we stall or something, so you feel like “How could I possibly eat 1500 and not gain weight?”
Nance: That is so right. At first, the part of the dieter’s mentality creeping back in is how is it’s gonna work? No, this is a whole new phase.
Rayzel: The hormone’s out of your body. Your body’s smart. It will adjust and what’s so cool is that you’ll see in her graph, she’s eating 700 calories 1 day in the beginning and then at the end she’s eating 1500 calories, her weight is the same. It’s not going up so that’s encouraging. So you mentioned that there is 4 main differences that you applied that were kind of the things that guided your P3s this year. Can you share those things with us?
Nance: I looked back 2010 to 2013 and then what is the difference that caused me to form an action plan that was successfully carried out to P3.
Number 1 I was, still am, motivated by serious health issues. I have studied as a Nutritionist in the past and we were taught that sometimes people do not make pivotal changes in their diet until they’re faced with a health issue. I knew all this in my head but now it’s time for the rubber meet the road and I had to get that weight off and now stress my adrenals and my thyroids by anymore yo-yoing. It was done. Over.
Number 2: More knowledge about hCG Phase 3 and Phase 4. I noticed on the internet, of course, meeting hCGChica and finding the recipes and all that. Also, I looked back on my files and I found a file of the outline of what Phase 3 is all about. It was from Kevin Trudeau’s book as well as Dr. Simeons’ information. I just reread that each time I went into a Phase 3 and go okay, here’s the ground rules. I applied and just enjoyed the more knowledge I had about Phase 3 and Phase 4 which tampered the sensationalism of Phase 2. I was ready for new food combinations and I just knew preparation methods. I had looked into raw food eating and I had some of the gear in my kitchen to slice vegetables really thin, fruits really thin. And I really was interested in to how to learn – use spices instead of calories to enjoy eating and so I took that time. Boy, I got this knowledge and ready to use it.
Rayzel: Yeah, you spend a good amount of time then like preparing yourself in really just that side of things.
Nance: Yeah, what I had over the years of what I’d learned and gain. Okay, now is the time to apply it. Then before, last but not least is I ran and applied the information on the book Weight Loss Apocalypse by Robin Woodall.
Rayzel: What we all started with. This book you guys. She’ll tell you more in a sec but I pretty much recommend it to every single person that’s doing this protocol so tell us why. What is it that – how did this book helped you?
Nance: There’s a lot in it that is yet to apply but the main 2 points in this P3 we’re talking about is understanding of the fat hormone leptin is and Robin’s graphing of the process of hunger to being ravenously hungry and to be in content, not even thinking about food, it was the other side. I lost my track –
Rayzel: That’s fine.
The hunger scale. Going from either contentment to being ravenously hungry or contentment up to so full I’ve made myself sick. So yeah.
Rayzel: So that’s what she’s talking about Robin calls it the hunger scale. It’s a different way of not that you can’t count calorie count here and there but I actually hate to count calories so I don’t do it but this is a different way of gauging how much food your body needs to be healthy and to maintain and it’s based on actually being more in tuned with how – like she said it how being hungry, being satisfied or being overly full and stopping at a certain point and so many people have talked about basically how it completely changed their world and given them more freedom. Because you know that hard thing with counting calories is like if you work out you need more calories that day. It’s like you can’t always gauge like what my body needs this amount of calories every day. It actually does vary depending on what you do all day and so that can make it hard. You could end up eating too much one day cause you didn’t do anything or being hungry in different days so it’s much better approach. So just to cover real quick again the 4 points, and again, she made this cool little paper and I’ll put it in the blog post but so you were motivated by serious health issues, that was the first point. The second key difference for doing Phase 3 well was more knowledge about hCG when it comes to Phase 3 and Phase 4 which she mentioned she did by really researching more and finding the different, for instance now in my blog, I have a bunch of posts now about P3 like what’s the point of it, how to do it better that type of stuff and as well as the books you mentioned that cover it and then the 3rd thing was being more open to new food combinations and preparation methods right so researching that like spices, as you said even just cutting vegetables thinner. I love how you said that because it’s true, sometimes a big hunk of carrot doesn’t taste- I don’t know for some reason but when something’s shaped thin and it’s like, this delicate salad or noodles, it’s really- the texture really is a lot more pleasing. Things that you didn’t really realize that make such a difference that makes you happy with that new way of eating. And then your 4th point is reading and applying the info from this book and I do recommend everyone purchase it. You can get it on Amazon.com. So you have those 4 things that were kind of the basis for what you decided to do after Phase 2. So how did you take those things and form an action plan for Phase 3? What did you do specifically?
Nance: Well I specifically became very intentional about Phase 3. Just as intentional about Phase 3 as I was about Phase 2. Took effort. It took effort – mental effort, focus- so I wrote out a plan for myself to increase my calories very slowly like Dr. Simeons said to do and I discovered not all calories are created equal. A fat calorie and a protein calorie are complete different animals so during this time I also kept track of my grams of carbohydrates, fat, protein. Number 2 I set my protein as priority, in Phase 2 protein is a priority and somehow Dr. Simeons understood just the very threshold that we had to be at before we were wasting our muscles and we stay with that and so to keep that protein as priority that is what I try to add first into it. I found on the web places where I could put in my information and find out what my ideal protein grams are which is anywhere – some of the websites differ- I was anywhere between 63-74 grams so. And then the 3rd was to personalize the hunger satiation chart. For me that was the most efficient way to take Robin’s amazing revelations and internalize them. I see P2 is very strict externally. Taking external reference. My yo-yo dieter’s mentality – always taking external references. And P4 get really getting in to the freedom of not having to worry about that, not having to count calories anything like that is being internally affronted, understanding what my body’s saying to me, take stopping, taking time to listen and understanding what I can change and what I better pay attention to as far as my body calling out for certain nutrients that I need. So personalizing that chart was huge.
Rayzel: That’s good. I’m thinking what I might do is we’ll put this chart – – I’ll double check with Robin, after we make sure that we can put her chart. I’ll link it to her book but I’ll ask her and if she’s okay with it I’ll put the chart that Nancy put together with her personalization of the hunger scale. They’re for you guys to see like how she approached that. Cause I like how you have – she’s got feels actually with her notes for physical, mental, emotional and actually the last one I printed out got cut off just maybe in the other notes or.
Nance: Actually, my Lyme disease’s symptoms.
Rayzel: Oh, Lyme. Is that okay if we mentioned that? That you have Lyme? Okay. So that’s part of the chronic health issues stuff that she deals with is Lyme disease which I do actually get. There’s a lot of people out there that have it. So she has put notes next to the hunger scale of how she feels in these different scenarios herself personally. It’s really great. So detailed. Okay good. So those were the 3 things. Increasing calories in grams slowly, two set protein as priority and three personalizing the hunger chart. So I wanted just real quick talk about your P3 log showing your weight and your gradual increase of calories maybe. Cause that kind of goes along with the number one action that you took for P3.
Nance: Okay. I’m gonna pull that out so I can refer to it also.
Rayzel: So in this P3 log that Nance has. Your weight is about 167 starting P3. And what’s so neat, and again I’ll have this chart on the blog post actually I’ll probably insert it in the video so that you guys can see it, but yeah if you look closely at it, you’ll see her weight, it’s exactly the same for all of P3 and your calories, you started out about 700.
Nance: The columns are my calorie goal, next to it is the actual. There you go, I was kind of all around the board. It wasn’t exact science for me. So that’s what it was.
Rayzel: That is interesting. Some days you eat a lot less and some days you eat more.
Nance: The fat, carb and protein columns. I set it so that if I went under 50g it would give a highlight in green. Carbs if I went over 20g it would highlight in blue and if I was under 50g in protein then it would highlight.
Rayzel: Cool. In Excel right? That’s great. I never did learn how to use Excel and you did. I get confused when I opened it. That’s great. So you did gradually increased your calories. I can see here you’re under your actual but then some days you still were less and that’s probably like you said cause you were eating to hunger more?
Nance: Yeah. Cause I was just doing well, I’m not hungry. I was in a place where symptomatically, I just didn’t feel good. I didn’t want to eat and so later on I bring out that chart where sometimes it’s a symptom I’m facing and sometimes it’s actual hunger or lack of hunger so there’s the difference.
Rayzel: Yeah you can talk about that too. I like this because – you guys can see it, I have it here. It is true like I just said, you don’t need as many calories some days and some days you need more. I think it’s important to talk about that actually because I feel like I actually put this in my little workbook that’s coming out in Amazon. I wrote about the idea that – I felt frustrated because I felt like when I use to read fitness magazines and stuff I felt like they’re telling me you need to be eating all the time or your metabolism will slow down. Okay so how do you I have to be eating all time or I’m gonna gain weight but I’m overweight and the only way to lose weight is to eat less than your body needs so like how do I accomplish this? How do I be constantly eating and still lose weight? That’s what I felt like I was essentially reading. Easy for you to say when you’re already a fitness trainer and you’ve never been overweight. So frustrating. You know I do use intermittent fasting here and there. It’s not – sometimes I don’t even do it every week but sometimes like once a week, there’s a day that I’m just busy. I don’t feel hungry. I actually felt very good on the day that I fast. I’ve been doing that for 3 years and you know what? I have a great metabolism. I don’t have to under eat other days or I start gaining weight. I realized that everyone has different hormone levels that can affect their metabolism. But it was so freeing to realize that it’s okay to not eat when you’re not hungry sometimes.
Nance: Taking your cues, your internal compass rather than external rules or — or whatever. It’s so freeing.
Rayzel: It is. So it’s nice to see that variety actually in calories on you on your days there. That’s a great idea too how you have the things about you know if you go under a certain amount of protein. Can you tell me why protein is important you mention something about-
Nance: Of course, below a certain level the body begins to depend on muscle to get the protein stores also Dr. Simeons’ I believe said going on a certain level of protein deficient, the body tends to hold water and I found when I go serious about that, oh my goodness, I have been so protein deficient. Because that is one of my challenges during P3 was “Oh my goodness, I’ve got to eat more protein” and it was really out of my comfort zones, out of my habits, to eat this much protein and so that was challenging.
Rayzel: So you said there’s a site you used to figure out how much protein your body seems to need. Is that what you said? What was that?
Nance: I will look at the note to find that website.
Rayzel: You might have sent me something.
Nance: No that was my one Swiss cheese hole of information.
Rayzel: Yeah, don’t worry about it, in the links that goes with this interview we’ll put the websites that she utilized to find some of this different macro amounts. Because it’s true for different body- like for me since I CrossFit and I do a lot of heavy weight lifting probably my protein requirements are fairly high. I don’t actually know exactly cause I don’t count. But I do try to make sure that I eat a good amount of protein but like you said sometimes if it’s not something you’ve been in a habit of, you’ve been in a kind of more in a starched base diet just because. It can feel different like you didn’t realize that okay, this is about how much meat I need to be eating a day like when you don’t have a reference it’s good to find out by using a calculator like that.
Nance: (crosstalk) Cause I’ve never been a calorie counter as much as I love detail I just don’t want to feel restricted by it. I also, I’ve got the other side of my brain where the artistic side’s spontaneous so loving – taking a recipe and never making it the same twice – I just love all that so that’s where I want to be in P4 but I found that I did not understand the language of grams. Grams of carbohydrates. What is a half cup of strawberries? How many grams of carbs am I eating? A half cup of banana? How many carbs am I eating? So I just took that time to learn the language of good nutrition – good P3 nutrition, good P4 nutrition. Right after this P3 I stopped using the food log as part of my effort to use internal cues. So it was important for me to do it in that P3 and important for me not to do it afterward.
Rayzel: I’m glad you really mentioned that too because that way people can know also that just because you might be a little bit more detailed, like she mentioned gradually adding calories, gradually tracking fat grams and carb grams. It’s okay to have a point in time during P3 that you do that with the knowledge that that’s not something you have to do for the rest of your life.
Nance: Great point. 3 weeks.
Rayzel: Yeah just enough to track that that’s your new life, the only way maintain- that’s not true. But like she said if a lot of us are having to make a complete change in our life like you said, you have no reference point, you have no idea of what’s in what and so it’s like hard to make a general choice in your when you just have nothing to go off of to make a smarter choice. Like you said, using P3 as a training ground to become aware what’s the general amount of carbs in these types of food.
Nance: (crosstalk) I was like there’s carbs in yogurt? You know and I’m like, “Oh my, there’s carbs in yogurt”. Just to learn all that and then carry on.
Rayzel: Right cause then you pick up the basic principles like they’re in your head. And so that’s helpful too cause I would feel the same way if I have to count calories to maintain a regular life, I’d feel horrible, I’d feel like eating chocolate cake. For me it makes me fell – I don’t know – just trapped.
Nance: Yeah that’s why I put the little logo in the bottom corner of my page of a prison cell opened up with blue sky. Because this is about being set free. It’s not about another yo-yo – another form of the yo-yo mentality.
Rayzel: Good. So it can be very useful though to do what you’ve done within the framework and then use that to move beyond it and be more free in P4 and we can do that.
Nance: I’m glad you brought that out. Let’s see we’ve got – we’ve looked at my P3 log and oh the P3 graphs because they’re easy to see and if I need to reconfigure them I sure will but they’re stacked so that you can compare them one with another. Here’s the calorie increase and here’s the gram comparison so that’s Nance – P3 graphs jpeg.
Rayzel: Cool. But I’m gonna do so you guys – this graph that Nancy’s talking about, I’ll put it here in the video right now and in the blog post. You can kind of see she track how her fat, protein and carbs increased from the beginning of P3 to the end so you can see that in the graph. Your calorie increase and then your weight. Your weight was so stable.
Nance: Just amazing. I was like this is working, it’s really working, not that hard.
Rayzel: Did you say that you didn’t eat fruits in P2 before this P3 started or no?
Nance: I had a very few glycemic fruits. I had my blackberries or raspberries and a few strawberries, like a quarter cup of strawberries on P2 and on P3, actually I had some oranges cause apples and oranges are technically allowed on P2. Apple, no, they’re like way high off the glycemic chart for me unless I would take slice one really thin and then totally coat it with cinnamon which helps metabolism so but in P3, this P3, apples were out, oranges out. I took my oranges juice then freeze them into cubes and then in P4 I would put cubes of orange juice into my green smoothies but I was surprised when I was preparing for a time here how little fruit I did eat. I was looking through but I did have from Costco I got a bag of the 3 berries, blackberries, raspberries and blueberries and I would have those from time to time. Specially with a little yogurt. That was a treat. So yeah.
Rayzel: Cool. So pretty minimal on the fruit in P3 though. Actually just to give a little more detail then about – we talked about gradually increasing your calories in P3 when it came to what made up the carbs that you ate. What would you say- what was the sources of the carbs that you did have during P3?
Nance: It was definitely all veggies.
Rayzel: Can you give us some examples? What types of vegetables, I’m just curious.
Nance: My P3 log the very first time I entered the types of vegetables I usually have, zucchini squash, romaine lettuce, radishes, yellow bell pepper, mushrooms and some shaved carrots sometimes into my salad. That was at the beginning. And I found the spinach going into a green smoothie and cucumber, my goodness, that’s like a candy bar. Cucumber? That’s like a candy bar. I start to put those into green smoothies toward the end cause boy that would just rack up the carbs so yeah.
Rayzel: Interesting. Did you use the peel of the cucumber when you made the smoothie or no?
Nance: No, I would peel the cucumber.
Rayzel: I just asked because I didn’t know this until someone mentioned it that there’s actually a lot of carbs in the skin of a cucumber.
Rayzel: At first I thought it’s just like fiber carbs but it’s actually not. It’s actually carbohydrates.
Nance: Interesting. From the nutrition training I learned just how much value there is in the skins and coatings of fruits and vegetables yet because of the pesticides, the urbicide, and the wax that they put on these vegetables, yeah, in the case of the cucumber. I’ll peel that out maybe. Yeah.
Rayzel: I just thought that was interesting. So really most of the carbs that she had then in P3 was very minimal fruit, sounds like it was an occasional thing and mostly from the vegetables that she mentioned. Looks like you had a little yogurt sometimes. So that have a little bit of carbs and just remembering again you guys that this is just a set period of time as well, just like P2 so it’s not like okay this is my life forever it’s just realizing that when you finished P2 it’s really not the end of the protocol.
Nance: (crosstalk) P2 my body is now “wet cement” for a set point and I’ve got 3 weeks to train it into it’s new set point and then I’m on my way and it made my whole P4, a hundred days after so much more easy because I was intentional about P3.
Rayzel: That’s great. I love that illustration too like the “wet cement” and then it can solidify and harden in P3 if you do it try.
Nance: Definitely. I remember that over again wait this is a special time, this is a crucial time and I want to stick to it. You have videos concerning when that last injection weight needs to be reconsidered and that is such valuable information.
Rayzel: Good. Thank you. It’s true you know like for you, you were so stable, it worked out fine and sometimes that is how it is, where you don’t need to adjust your LDW and that’s great if that happens. I had that happened a couple of times but then there are other times with the topic, the ones that she mentioned I’ll link to those articles in the blog post that goes with the interview for anyone who’s wondering why would there be a time that I wouldn’t stabilize within the 2 pound window because I talked about those specific scenarios and they do make sense. Actually a friend she was doing hCG, she kind of panic, texted me a while back, like, “Oh my goodness, my weight’s off like 5 pounds and I kept doing steak days, should I do another one?” And like “I don’t know what to do!” and she’s freaked out that it’s gonna keep going up so we kind of talked on the phone about what could be going on and we finally were just like “Is that okay to just stabilize a little higher?” And I was like: “Yeah, at this point based on everything you’ve told me and everything you’ve tried it sounds like adjust your mind a little bit and see what your body’s wanting to do is to stay put.” And she texted me a few weeks later and she’s like “Hey, I just want to let you know my weight hasn’t move an ounce from that adjusted LDW”. She’s so pleased because she’s eating clean, she’s working out but if she’d have kept trying to get the lower one and then the problem is we were talking about trying to make this emotional change in your life and you can’t get your weight to be what you want it you end up doing stupid stuff and eating chocolate cake because you’re upset or (crosstalk).
Nance: Like holding a kind of whole inflated beach ball under the water in the ocean when there’s six foot waves coming in. I mean it keep happening and yeah as I prepared for this time together in P3 I went into my next P3 that I’m in now and it was a real good dose for any perfectionism that I have because this P3 is nothing like the July P3. It’s really – It’s a different ball game. I’m facing different things metabolically, symptomatically, and it’s a great comfort that I can move off that 2 pounds. That hard 1-2 pounds and actually not invest energy into holding that yo-yo down when it’s gonna go – it’s like a rubber band. Stretching rubber band, by putting that tension on on myself and beautiful example that you just gave, we don’t have to do that to ourselves.
Rayzel: Yes. It’s just knowing when to stop. If it’s working out good. You want to make those reasonable efforts to see cause obviously like you said if you’re doing a P3 where you’re just not doing P3 maintaining of course, there’s a reason for that but you know what you’re doing and you know if you’re doing everything right or you’re checking different things. Yeah, just to clarify for you guys, with me, my first P3 I stabilized easily within the 2 pounds. I was eating low carb but I ate quite a bit, I have thyroid meds, it was great. Later P3s I did some different things P2 which affected my P3 and I didn’t know that at first so it’s like I took my fruits out. Made the diet really low carb in P2. Started crossfit and my weight was it’s like I was these doing steak days and it would immediately go back up the next day. I just could not get it to stay there and I was trying for like 2-3 months like, “Uh, come off, come off!” And finally, my husband, he’s the smart one. He’s like “You know honey, you’re trying to build muscle, you’re working hard, you’re doing the right thing. Maybe you should try to work with your body a little and just have a see where it leads.” I was like, “That’s scary.” But you know, he’s right, this is obviously not working.
Nance: That’s a fantastic example of the tension that we place ourselves in to actually keeps the yo-yo going. When we’re wanting to step off that whole cycle to go from being externally refronted into being in touch with how our feelings, what our body wants, because our body knows what it needs and using that hunger satiation scale to apply that immediately in the situation that we’re in. To me that was like, wow, somebody just gave me the scissors, to snip the string off that yo-yo, I don’t ever have to go there again and what you’ve said about changing the LDW weight, so comforting. Hearing your life experiences with this. It’s just comforting. Wow, what’s 5 pounds when I’ve lost 70? Heavenly days. I haven’t been here since shortly after high school. I plan to live here and a little less the rest of my life so, yeah.
Rayzel: It’s true cause you can lose sight of that and finishing what I’m saying about the weight going back up thing I finally pretty much, my final 2 rounds, I stabilized actually about 7 pounds higher and I want to clarify that when I actually finally went and got body fat testing done cause you guys, know I’ve done a lot of that cause I wanted to know am I losing fat? What am I gaining? It was muscle and glycogen stores, yeah almost all of it. So that was like the proof cause I didn’t know any of these stuff either. It’s like before I started blogging, I started blogging about it because it’s like I’m learning all of this stuff that I was clueless about before that kind of kept me jailed in that yo-yo mentality because I didn’t know all of these things and so finally realizing “Oh, this is what this is and then you are free to stabilize a little higher or whatever and feel good about it.”
Nance: That’s it, feel good about ourselves and move on with life. Go to the next stage. P3, just 3 weeks and it can be a joy. It really can be. And 2 July, the longer my weight stays stabilized. I was just really happy with that and I was just savoring the foods that I got to eat and that was one of the other thing it’s like my yo-yo mentality was going “What? You ate an avocado? And all that coconut fudge?” You know I make that freezer fudge with a coconut oil and the cocoa and you’re not gaining weight. It was almost like a nasty tape playing in my mind it’s like that’s right I didn’t gain a pound and I’m eating healthy fats and I’m gonna keep on. You know?
Rayzel: So you mentioned the vegetables that you ate in P3 but since you were talking about that, what were some other foods then that you’re eating so you mentioned avocado, the coconut oil, and the coconut fudge recipe which on Pinterest there’s all kind of recipes for that. What other foods did you end up eating then in Phase 3?
Nance: One I can eat fairly soon and that’s flaxseed crackers. I have a dehydrator, that’s one of my raw food recipes. Just take flaxseed and a little bit of ginger, wee little bit of soy sauce and the other spices, but then just spread them out then on the dehydrator sheets and I end up with this wonderful lazy crackers. Took the place of gluten cause I have to go gluten free, sugar free, and those flaxseed crackers are just scrumptious. And the other is along the same lines I call pizza flatbread and Alissa Cohen wrote the book “Living on Live Food” and I want to give her credit for that recipe, it was basically almonds, flaxseeds, ground up with carrot, bell pepper, cilantro, parsley, and a number of other spices, again made into a batter, spread out thin, put it in the dehydrator until it makes a flatbread. Just like the flatbread that’s in the store now but this piece of flatbread is so absolutely satisfying. I just take a few bites I feel like I’ve had a salad leather, you know what I mean? I’ll send you a picture, I made a picture of one of my flatbread sandwiches, just nutritious. And that’s the thing about eating nutritiously, nutrient dense food, a few bites and the hunger is gone cause the body says, wow, I got what I like so that flat bread, those crackers and then my beloved green smoothies, I really like those. I think with taking the green smoothie challenge that’s out there for men. I put together fruits and vegetables and herbs that I had never imagined I would ever put into one blender and that opened me up to eating, drinking a nutrient dense food getting the fruits and vegetables I need and it really being yummy.
Rayzel: Awesome. Maybe what we’ll try to do is if we can we’ll try to gather a few resources for you guys like stuff like couple of recipes that she’s discussing and the book and just different things that you’re interested in checking out some of those things that she was mentioning because people just love – you know it’s so nice to have actual resource. That sounds really good. How long does it take in the dehydrator to make the flax crackers?
Nance: In my like June, July, August where I live, the humidity is like 4%. It’s a wet day if the humidity gets around 17 or 20% so I have an Excalibur dehydrator and I think it operates really fast because of the environment that I live in but it’ll work anywhere. I think that the flax seed crackers anywhere for 6 hours? I turn them over after about 2 to 3 hours and just let them get good and crispy but within a day.
Rayzel: That’s great. Those are great resources, those 2 that you mention. Especially if you’re coming from changing from whatever diet you’ve had before which like for me was not good and really carby. When you make that transition you have to have those replacements that kind of give you the feel from things starchy or crunchy or the texture. Sometimes you might move past that after a while and not even need that at all but sometimes you may need that interim thing and it’s good to have cause I used to – I am able to have – cause you know I’ve been in P4 a long time now, almost 2 years but yeah, there are plenty of carbs that I can eat and maintain so I do that and that’s kind of my little fix but one thing when I was still low carb and trying to stabilize and change in my diet was that I needed to find those alternatives so making stuff with flaxseed meal or pumpkin seed meal that was like kind of more lower carb but tasted like my previous starchy thing that was cookies whereas now I actually never bake at all. I just don’t feel like I need that particular thing because I have other carbs that are healthy, that feel fine, but it was very important that time to be making that change.
Nance: I’m glad you brought that out. Our taste buds actually change in this lifestyle change. What we wanted before does not – is like yuck now and what was yuck before was like, I’m gonna eat that? It’s like we’re looking forward to that kale salad now, you know.
Rayzel: I know. It’s like if you’re one of those people like you’re still eating cookies and ice cream and you’re like I don’t want kale, I do not want salad, that’s how we started out too. I remember eating all this junk food and I’m trying to make dinner for my husband and my son, I did not want to eat green beans, it’s like that looks so unappetizing because I just ate 15 chocolate chips cookies and that’s all I want more of. You don’t crave that, but when you clean out your system which P2 helps to deal right? It cleans that out.
Nance: Yeah it really does, got to drink a lot of water.
Rayzel: Yeah and your cravings do change and then those food that you use to force yourself to eat, they actually become appetizing and they start tasting good.
Nance: Absolutely, avocado tastes like a (crosstalk) to me now. It’s so amazing to be able to eat all these things that I really do love and they taste so good and my taste buds are not numbed by the processed chemicals and artificial –
Rayzel: That’s a perfect way to say that. Yeah, your taste buds gets numbed with all – yeah, you’re right that’s so much perfectly
Nance: So much better over here.
Rayzel: Okay, let’s see, we talked about-
Nance: I did- When I went to the hunger satiation scale I really had a – because of the hardships I was facing. I had done a lot to stuff my feelings and I was going through a lot of emotional triggers and I didn’t want to see what I was seeing and feel what I was feeling and so that’s more than a miracle that I would be losing this weight, not using food as a crutch. But the segue into how I was in touch with my hunger scale internally. That’s where I put in the HALTS acronym is just to say this is the snip to the yoyo diet right here where I stopped, I halt and go okay, what’s really happening here? And that’s what the HALTS page is about. We can take as long or as little time as needed because that’s simply the way, the questions to ask, get in touch with one self just goes what is really happening here inside me to take me away from being externally referenced on “they treated me like this”, “they did this”, “I didn’t get this”, “I deserved that” into “how am I feeling and how can I apply love and grace and mercy to my situation?” by being self-accepting and that the self-acceptance was huge whether I’m eating Cheetos and burping apple fritters at the moment, can I still love myself right in that moment and still accept what’s happening in me. For me that’s like the clutch on a vehicle to begin to move in a different direction until I apply that self-acceptance, I stay stuck and shame and all that. So I don’t know – you just kind of guide me how far you want to go with that but that’s just simply, that’s where the rubber meets road for the scissors cutting the yo-yo mentality is becoming aware of what’s happening inside.
Rayzel: That’s good. Yeah, why don’t we talk about each of those points? So she has a little chart to share, a paper she made and I’ll show it to you guys on here and on the blog post. Just about stopping the yo-yo and it’s a little acronym called HALTS which she said to you. It’s adapted from AA. So you said “When I feel the urge to eat hit me, I stop and ask myself this questions, listening to my gut response called HALTS.” Why don’t you talk about each of those?
Nance: Okay and you’ll have it there and you’ll be able to read this. HALTS I learned a long time ago and was originally am I too hungry, angry, lonely, or tired. As I realized my food addictions, I applied this and it expanded a little bit so H stands for Hunger-driven – am I getting triggered emotionally that I want to just go into automatic and eat? What just happened that I’m gonna turn into the fridge door instead of dealing with something that I need to deal with. A – Am I Angry, Anxious or Afraid? Part of my yo-yo mentality is feeling powerless. My weight is going up and there’s nothing I can do about it. I might as well have that other half of that chocolate cake. So feeling hungry, anxious or afraid, I found that behind that on angry because I really, my little girl in here feels very powerless and afraid and hurt and so I want to stop and get in touch with that and apply the positivity, the parenting to my person inside rather than again turning to food to mask those feeling and just cover it up. L is Lonely and I generalized that. Am I again trying to distract myself with the way food feels, away from a painful emotion. Another one that I found for L is Lacking in Nutrient, sometimes I find myself starting to get compulsive and wanting to eat things and I realize my body is missing a nutrient, specially with P3 and the protein in all that, little low in veggies and fruit. Our bodies can go into an acidic state and I found boy, all I need is like a tablespoon of apple cider vinegar or some of my homebrew kombucha and it just cuts right through my desire to forage and my body to look for that nutrient that it’s missing. It’s very individual and it’s a wonderful process of self-discovery in that. Just our body has wisdom, our body wants to be balanced and well, we just stop and say okay, what do you need right now? And it’s amazing how the answers come up.
Rayzel: Oh yeah, I was gonna say it’s true cause sometimes you might need a little protein or it might even be a little bit of extra fat you need. I love how you say that cause it’s true, you find yourself kind of like “blah” and you kind go in too much of the wrong thing but sometimes you need a little extra fat or a little extra protein. It could be either one cause sometimes it’s true when you get that you feel like “Oh, I feel better”. For instance, the other day, my husband, he’s had some salmon, he hadn’t had it in a while and the fat in the salmon, you know it has the omegas in it. It just like he felt a lot calmer after having it. He’s like “I felt like that was just what I needed”, He might need a little bit of that, you know maybe it’s been a while. You know, fat it’s important to like the cholesterol and how the stuff- what is it? The myelin in your brain? – everything it’s like stuff like that is important and if there’s an imbalance there it really can help. Your brain function and your –
Nance: That was L on that Lonely or Lacking on Nutrient and then T – Tired or Thirsty. I have found that if I need a nap my lifelong tendency has been to keep driving myself a little bit of caffeine, a little bit of sugar, get to that deadline, got to do it because I’ve chosen to commit to many things and I’m a woman of my word and I’m gonna get it done and WOW! I’m a little bit of tired and I need to take a little power nap, that’s what I needed to do. Or Thirsty, is this hunger I’m feeling? Or am I just really feeling thirsty? If I just take a good jug of water, yeah, just have a good 8 or 10 ounces of water. That’s what I needed or water with lemon, to help that acidic alkaline balance. That is really to discern between what is hunger and what is thirst would speak for me. And S that is not in the original acronym but I added it because I’m dealing with symptoms and more lately because of the prescribed antibiotics side effects. Am I wanting to use to temporarily mask my painful symptoms or the side effects of the medication and I don’t like that being in that place at all. It doesn’t seem to be going away too fast so it’s time for me to practice some self-acceptance and care for myself as I would a child who’s been ill. Deal with the grief of loss over things that I cannot – I used to be able to do that I can’t do now. The fear that it’s a – I’m looking down a tunnel with no end so it goes into a whole thing that again I”ve got to be in touch with myself cause otherwise I’m gonna use food as an addiction to mask all that.
Rayzel: Cause that feels like that’s easiest thing.
Nance: Least resistant. Path of least resistant right there.
Rayzel: We need to address it that way, you know. Have you found in trying to adjust that, in not doing that. Have you found ways to deal with these things in a healthier way like to put things that help you to deal with that?
Nance: Very, very sure would be to use binders in a diet alongside the antibiotic which kill the pathogen and then they die off creates an immune response that is very uncomfortable, it’s called a Herxheimer Reaction and activated charcoal, chlorella is wonderful. Chlorella is smart about what it absorbs and doesn’t absorb as far as not leeching the body of minerals and that’s another one, making sure that I’ve got enough minerals. Taking a high potency relief mineral cap every day is really important. Then opening up the tea talk fast ways. Hot beds. Using essential oils, foot baths, making sure that I’ve got fresh water, fresh air, and so on. Do you want me to go on and on about that but-
Rayzel: But you’re trying to find ways to address it that don’t involve just eating. Cause you can apply that principle even if you don’t have a chronic illness, if you have other stressful things happening in your life. I think the point is to not only stop doing the unhealthy pattern you had before which is to eat or whatever but to find a new healthier patterns to replace them with just like how you replace old food standbys with healthier versions. You can’t just stop doing things and that’s it. You have to replace it and finding – cause I had to do that to. Whether it was the illness or just like you said like I would eat cause I get stressed too or for me like with crossfit that’s something that I can do and it really does kind of keeps me in a consistent healthy frame of mind that if I ever do feel a little off track a day here and there with eating or start getting kind of “blah”. It kind of brings me back. You know it reminds me like “Oh yeah, this is the way of life I like living”. Even a hot shower or taking some time to read a book.
Nance: Just good self-care, meditation is huge. I mean, settling in to one self. I think through a lot of life events that I realize, I don’t want to be in my body, I don’t want to be here. Instead of getting my nickers in a knot, it’s like “Oh wait, I’m here, I’m going to enjoy every moment I have”. And that way with the P3 foods, going into P4 like your husband enjoying that salmon, it’s like, “Oh my goodness, I get to love food, I get to enjoy every bite”. Just really enjoying life. And opening up detox pathways with all those things we mentioned because we live in a stressful environment and learning how to open up those detox pathways, drinking lots of water, keeping things flowing is a good thing.
Rayzel: And actually you mentioned the activated charcoal and the chlorella and I want many to know that idea could be applied to Phase 2. I talked about this in another interview. It hasn’t been published yet. Toxins are stored in fat so there’s this thing where I kind of feel like sometimes on P2 people feel really crummy, sometimes they feel good, sometimes they feel crummy and sometimes I’m thinking you’re losing a lot of fat at once, that’s where toxins are stored when you’re losing that fat, toxins can be getting into your bloodstream. You know like, mercury, aluminum, or all those things, that could contribute to feelings of unwellness on P2 and I do think that there’s merit in taking both chlorella and the activated charcoal on P2. That’s kind of a experiment but this one gal I talked to that’s what she was doing and I was like “I can’t believe I’ve never thought of that!” That’s a pretty neat idea. So you guys might want to check in to that activated charcoal and chlorella cause like she says, it binds with various things and if it just basically can help get it out of your body better instead of it just circulating around in your blood and then resettling somewhere else.
Nance: And just a theory I had, those pounds that I put on years ago went on with a certain avoidance tactic or stressful situation or locked up emotion and could it be from an energetic stand point that those are being flushed away and released too as we are losing that extra weight. Just a theory.
Rayzel: No, no, that’s really neat. Actually speaking of that, I almost forgot you had mentioned a little story about a stall. I think it was a stall you had during P2 what led on to that?
Nance: It was a friend, someone whose counsel I really respect and this was much earlier on the spring and when she saw me one day she goes, “Oh you’re looking so thin, you look gaunt.” And I was like, now I haven’t told her about hCG, I really keep that in the wraps cause I don’t want, nope, don’t ask me my hCG. So it took me back because I’ve realized I was open to this person and everything and besides that I still weight 180 something it’s like “I ain’t gaunt.” But something in me like the yo-yo mentality, I call it the self-sabotage, the guy with the self-sabotage gun claws, he’s just waiting on for to jump on something like that and go, “Yeah, men, I’m gonna shoot myself in the foot.” Yeah, I’m a little gaunt, maybe I should stop right here, I don’t need to lose any more weight, in fact, I’ve taken this too far and the next day “Oh I think I’ll celebrate”. The next day I had a stall and I wasn’t even in 10 into my P3 where you know those wonderful pound, pound and a half releases can happen and I went right into a stall and I’m like, “Oh my goodness.” How subtle but how powerful and so forgave my friend and no names used but this person is 250 pounds and I was like, Wow she’s looking through her 250 pound eyes at me shrinking. That may look pretty thin. Yeah and so, it all turned out well we continued to hang out but that’s a lesson right there.
Rayzel: Yeah and it just shows how much it is true that outside input can affect you emotionally and that can actually translate into a result. That’s why you know you said some people choose to keep their hCG journey kind of like a secret or under wraps like you will and there’s nothing wrong with that. Some people feel really bold and they’re like, I don’t care, they’re gonna know. And if you’re strong like that, great! Do that! But if you don’t feel ready to kind of handle that constant like a lot of negative input, there’s no shame in doing whatever you need to do to make it successful for you and if that means keeping it under wraps, fine. P2 is no time to be dealing with those kinds of experience every other day and if you’re gonna be inviting that it may not be wise. Because as strong as we like to think we are sometimes those things can affect us. I’m kind of sensitive too so if I get a negative comment on YouTube on my video like sometimes, I’ve been doing this for 2 years and I try to not let it bother me but sometimes it’ll ruin my day and I’ll feel horrible and so I just don’t read it anymore just like forget, I don’t want to know. I just don’t want to read it. If you got to do it you got to do it. Only you know where you are with your own progress, like you said, she was thinking that you’re too thin. The thing is people are used to seeing you overweight so any difference, I got the same thing. I am 5’1”. I did 1 round lost 27 pounds and I was still about 30 pounds overweight but people are kind of making me feel uncomfortable, making comments and I almost felt like they were purposely trying to make me uncomfortable so that I’d like gain more weight back or something.
Nance: One I had a friend last week, she hadn’t seen me in a long time and she has done hCG before and she has gained it all back and then some and I didn’t say anything but in our conversation went on and she was yeah, you lost it and you don’t have it to lose. I’m like, and that’s where I was armed with the knowledge that my base weight is probably about 130 pounds and I’m still good 15 to 20 pounds away from that. I am not in the danger zone by any stretch imagination. And when I set my goal for 148 this time. I had to deal with fear that I would be, “I’m too thin!” No, no, no. We’ll give you a website what is your lean weight, your base weight, you add a percentage to that for your healthy fat and you know where you stand.
Rayzel: I think that’s a good point that you feel more confident about- Yes there are basic weight ranges for each height and like she said how much lean mass you have and how much fat mass and how those things can give you a good gauge. I think for the most part, most people, unless you have a true eating disorder, like anorexia, but then you’ll- but that’s not for the most part. I interact with so many people and I really have read into that very rarely, very rarely. So if it’s like people getting used to you. It’s like if you had been 145 for the last several years, all the people who knew you, none of them would have said you look too thin, it’s just how they know you and you would look normal to them, it’s just because you came from a higher weight.
Nance: And as much as I can extend forgiveness to them and you know, they just don’t know the new me yet.
Rayzel: Right. Like some people are just skeptical of things and it’s just like when I originally went into this protocol. You know I have a good friend, she’s like, “Oh I researched it but it looks kind of dangerous or whatever” and you know that’s like that’s fine but she’s still supportive but the point is now it’s like the proof is in the pudding. It’s been over 2 years since I finished the diet. I maintained for months on end before that as well and under P3 and so it’s technically I’ve been maintaining weight loss for 3 years really so it’s like, I have all how much muscle I have, I lift heavy weights. You can tell there’s no way like – the proofs there. Okay, this ended up working out it was you know not sure about at first that you will see the results.
Nance: The flower of that plant like in your life now 2 years later is well seen and well-documented too with your lean muscle-fat ratio. I think it’s perfectly appropriate for a season to have that sea in the ground you know because we’re dealing with becoming more honest with ourselves in this process to make it a lifestyle change and yeah so it’s a process and its okay.
Rayzel: Thank you so much for sharing all of this today. It’s been so useful. You went to so much trouble to track all this and you know and share it with everybody to look at. I think it’ll be really helpful for everybody.
Nance: Thank you very much for the opportunity to interview, take this time together and I just really hope that it’s beneficial to more than a few people.
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